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Poll: 18 percent of U.S. voters undecided

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Nearly a fifth of U.S. voters remain undecided about presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain, still unsure which man can put out the fire raging through the American financial marketplace and save them from an economic meltdown.

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LarryK-463426

A fool and his vote are soon parted. To find fault with one party for this economic malaise startingd years ago (in a Democratic presidency) is foolish.

All community housing legislation is on file for any intelligent person to find. Eeach failure to provide oversight is public record. How can anyone blame the current president? His bad on Iraq, But, no foul with the economy.

McCain is not peachy. But, he wants smaller government which is the only answer to our problems. Obama is a redistribitionist that wants all to flow through a central government, That is the cause of the problem. Governement is so big as to squeeze liquidity out of our economy, ruining our purchasing power. Have you not noticed all the liquidity squeezes? How can we be so dumbed down as to believe Obama will not do more harm than good, I suppose, as an independent, an Obama victory may cause things to get so bad that voters will finally break through their dumbed down state and actually do something about this partisan death hold on our government.

If you elect this political machine candidate into office, he will be one term. And, you will rue the day.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
Arthur-379160

Remember Keating 5. John McCain can not fix this meltdown, because he is part of it.

We know who can not fix this mess, and that is the guy who helped create this mess. Senator Phil Gramm pocketed a fortune in deregulating the finance industry. John McCain was a key supporter of this deregulation.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
Sunny T

Ahem! Breaking news - McCain wants to postpone Friday's debate....

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
G.Jerry

Please be aware, this mess started with the Reagen Administration--called voodoo economics by the then candidate Bush.

    #1.3 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
    Sunny T

    YES!!! Exactly right!!! Trickle-down economics is voodoo economics, as said by W's daddy about Reagan's economic policy during the campaign. Finally, somebody remembers!

    =oD

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
    pddoc

    It is funny that Mr Deregulation Mccain can not be found at fault here according to some people. Really? I guess you can pee on someone's leg and tell them it is raining.

    Obama is the clear choice!!

    • 1 vote
    #1.5 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:55 PM EDT
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    Ken in TampaDeleted
    william plotts

    I DONT BUY OBAMA"S LIES EITHER

    • 1 vote
    Reply#3 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
    themusicplace61

    I too don't buy in to oabama's lie's as well and to me once a muslim alway's a muslim i don't want a muslim of any kind at the head of this nation

      #3.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
      Sunny T

      I am very relieved to have an intelligent, insightful, hard-working and capable man, Barack Obama, on his way to the presidency. He is the one and only candidate who can clean up the terrible Bush Iraq mess and Bush economic mess. And Obama will have plenty of help from policy-savvy Joe Biden, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, plus all the Democrats who have been looking for a stong, principled leader to take America back from greedy crooks.

      In fact, I'll bet there are a good number of Republicans in the country looking for a strong, principled leader, too! Barack Obama is that man.

      Goodbye, Bush, and good riddance!

      • 3 votes
      #3.2 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
      pddoc

      william plotts

      You sir are silly. Obama has not lied but the news shows again and again out of Mccains own mouth he does. Remember Mccain saying Palin had no earmarks? His advisor accepted no money from one of the big downfall giants? ALL LIES AND OPEN LIES. Get your facts straight sir before accusing someone. And Palin who say God wants a Jihad against Iraq. themusicplace61 you will have that kind of nation when she is in office. Geeze these Repub one liners are the reason I left the party last month.

      Obama 08!!

      • 1 vote
      #3.3 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:59 PM EDT
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      RalphM

      I agree that things aren't good - I am just getting tired of both sides continually in a mutual blaming contest over this problem - especially when the election isn't even over yet and I have already started to hear posturing for the 2012 election. I just wonder how much of the problems are created by both political machines to try and panic the voters to get their candidate elected. I guess that it is too much to ask to forget the politics and just get the problem fixed - oh yea I forgot that might not get the right candidate elected. What happened to government for the people and by the people and not government for and by the political party with the most b.s. to spread around.

        Reply#4 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
        bobkat810

        John McBush is George Bush only much older. The policy still remains the same, feed the rich and starve the middle class.

        The administration had to know what was going on, if not they deserve to be booted from office. There should be no rewards for failure to do ones job and no bailout funded by whats left of the taxpayers.

        A vote for McCBush is a vote that says great job..Georgie'

        • 1 vote
        Reply#5 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
        New Yorker 2000Deleted
        Sunny T

        No, New Yorker, YOU are completely wrong on this issue. We have had *insane* Republican policies in place for 8 years; the Democratic congress has been mostly unsuccessful in correcting them thanks to Bush's veto pen.

        How can any thinking person believe that things have fallen apart so badly, so quickly, with the Democrats, who have been in office for less than 2 years, when Bush will veto anything they set forward to clean up this godawful mess of war and national bankruptcy?

        It is 8 years of Bush rule to blame.

        Do some research before you make such ridiculous comments.

        • 1 vote
        #5.2 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:52 PM EDT
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        tscar12

        The FBI will also be investigating members of Congress and that would include Dodd, Levin, Clinton, Biden, McCain and Obama. Besides the Presidential cyborg supporters, can anyone still say with a straight face that Washington can fix this? It is now known that All but around 50 out of 500 and some received donations and gifts from these financial geniuses. The only fix is revolution and not putting up with this corruption anymore. If anyone thinks this won't happen again with the Democrats and Republicans in Congress or with either candidate winning is smoking something that should be illegal. They all belong in Prison and not the country club type but hard time. BTW- Obama has received almost 3 times the amount of money as McCain. Neither are the candidate for change just power hungry hack politicians

        Revolution is coming as America is angry and doesn't believe a word that these politicians are saying. Whether the revolution is violent or no depends on the American standing up with a unified voice and the actions of the government but it is coming and this time let's get it right.

        Of course no list would be complete without adding Pelosi to it.

        Finally, if the Russian people early on can show the courage to stand up to the corrupt communist regime than, if we don't, what does that say about the American people. If we don't then we are as guilty as these financial geniuses and the politicians that lined their pockets with their money.
        If done with ethical standards, we will see 2 presidential candidates and a VP candidate under criminal investigation but then Corruption in both parties is too engrained to let this happen. Also, any investigation must involve Buffett and he happens to be one of Obama's chief advisors. Ah...The smell of corruption is everywhere and, in the end nothing will be done unless the American people act.

          Reply#6 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
          G.Jerry

          Right comrade--let us stand up and start a new revolution with comrade Paul as our new soviet grand pubah!

            #6.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
            Sunny T

            There is a big difference between accepting campaign contributions, which is legal, and influence peddling, which is a possibility in the Rick Davis case, which is illegal.

            • 1 vote
            #6.2 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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            william plotts

            HOW can obama vote against a war,when he wasn't a senator,2 yrs in the senate,and a war that started in 2003 doesn't add up,---------like he doesn't add up,funny no one caught that lie,not even the media

            • 1 vote
            Reply#7 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
            Keith S-298098

            the media is blind to all his shortcomings....like his ties to Rezko, Ayers and Rev. Wright

            • 1 vote
            #7.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
            Ft Bragg 69/70

            Take a look at some of John McCains shortcomings, copy and paste the following link in your web brower. Read and enjoy.

            www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com

            • 1 vote
            #7.2 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
            DarinD

            You are a mental midget.....LOL

            I a msure an eight year old could figure that one out!

              #7.3 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
              Ft Bragg 69/70

              DarinD
              Have you thought about the TV show Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader?
              It's obvious you are unable to proof a 2 comment reply.

                #7.4 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
                Sunny T

                That's why you have to use small words when addressing them.

                Barack Obama did not vote on the Iraq war. He never said he voted against the Iraq war. Nope. He never did. He spoke out publicly against the Iraq war.

                It is not a lie, because he never said he voted on the war. He said he opposed the war.

                Do you understand?

                • 1 vote
                #7.5 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
                Scott (Scoop) Butki

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                  #7.6 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:04 PM EDT
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                  3sheets2thewind

                  That is so funny I thought that the war on regulation was started by Ron Reagan.

                    Reply#8 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
                    Ken in TampaDeleted
                    william plotts

                    not smoking a thing,that guy couldn't have voted against the war,please explain to me how he did,when he wasn't a senator in 2003,your thought would be appreciated

                      Reply#10 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:13 PM EDT
                      Ft Bragg 69/70

                      He has never said he voted against the war as a US Senator. What he has said and it is documented, is that when the president was calling for war in Iraq he spoke out against it and he never favored the war from the beginning, which anyone has the right to do. I hope that clears the air on that issue for you.

                      • 1 vote
                      #10.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
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                      rational-739

                      I find this truly unbelievable. Obama better prepared to handle this crisis? Please look at his initial reaction. He said that he supported the Bush's administration proposal. Obviously. since he knows nothing about the economy, he just gave a non belligerents response til someone told him what to say. This is not the kind of president I want.

                        Reply#11 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
                        Ken in TampaDeleted
                        Keisha-408308

                        OMG!!!

                          #11.2 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:32 PM EDT
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                          Ken in TampaDeleted
                          william plotts

                          he did obama said over and over he voted against the war in IRAQI,HE MAY HAVE SPOKE AGAINST THE WAR,BUT HE SURE AS HELL DIDN'T VOTE AGAINST IT LIKE HE CLAIMS HE DID,THE MEDIA DIDN'T CALL HIM ON IT

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#13 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
                          Ken in TampaDeleted
                          Ft Bragg 69/70

                          william plotts
                          I know the feeling as I get older my hearing gets worse and worse, you might want to turn up your TV or radio, or like I did break down and buy a hearing aid, when I did that I also switched political parties now after 57 years the Democrats are making sense to me, truth be known they were probably right all the time.

                          • 2 votes
                          #13.2 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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                          Arthur-379160

                          We know who can not fix this mess, and that is the guy who helped create this mess. Senator Phil Gramm pocketed a fortune in deregulating the finance industry. John McCain was a key supporter of this deregulation.

                          Remember Keating 5. John McCain can not fix this meltdown, because he is part of it.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#14 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
                          Losthal

                          Wow! 18% I would be surprised if 18% of our citizens know who is running!

                            Reply#15 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
                            Losthal

                            Wow! 18% I would be surprised if 18% of US voters know who is running!

                              Reply#16 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:32 PM EDT
                              DarinD

                              This election is about accountability, for the past eight years the GOP has pillage our economy for their own greed! Now here we are at a very important crossroads, we either continue on the same course or we vote to change the current course.

                              I am not better off than I was 8 years ago

                                Reply#17 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
                                Rightofcenter

                                DarinD ,You probably should have taken advantage of the unprecedented growth and prosperity that we had going before 06. Did something happen then?

                                  #17.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
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                                  Eric Vahlbusch

                                  The following quote from the story:

                                  "McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis drew unwelcome attention in news reports Tuesday that one of two housing giants rescued by the government this month had been paying $15,000 a month to Davis' lobbying firm until shortly before the takeover."

                                  demonstrates again how much the AP (and the NY Times and many more) are in the tank for Obama. Rick Davis left the firm in 2005, but irrespective of that, inserting this issue into an objective story about the high level of undecided voters makes sense only if the story points out Obama's association with Johnson and Raines, each of whom earned 10's of millions of dollars from one of those housing giants. Of course the Times is not objective and so they focus on McCain and leave Obama alone.

                                  The good news is the high level of undecided voters. Let the debates begin.

                                  Oh and I will also say this...again. Larry K is absolutely correct, as I also wrote last evening. Start with the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 and then move forward through the additional legislation and Presidential position papers since that time. The genesis of this crisis is the fault of the federal government. This is a prime example, in fact it is likely to go down in history as THE prime example of why the government has no business in the social engineering business. What occurred (any person with a breath left in their body could buy a home) is EXACTLY the policy that every administration since 1977 advocated for and promulgated. Lenders and investors rose to the occasion and took them up on their offer. To blame Bush specifically or Wall Street specifically ignores the facts.

                                    Reply#18 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
                                    michaellittell

                                    Obama is a redistribitionist that wants all to flow through a central government, That is the cause of the problem.

                                    No... that is not the problem.

                                    The problem is with run-away deregulation that has turned into complete "un-regulation" across multiple industries. The problem is that government (you know, actual governing?) has been taken so nearly completely out of the picture, that greed and sophomoric decision-making has been allowed to run rampant and unchecked. Very much akin to taking down every speed limit sign and sending all the cops home.

                                    Yes, Barack Obama and the democrats are for some oversight... some prudent regulation... but to run back to the GOP playbook and cry words like "big government" as a response to a practical call for some sensible involvement in an unruly economy run by forces that in some cases "don't know", and in some cases "don't care" what they're doing, is A) Irresponsible, and B) Childish.

                                    You wanna talk about "Big Government"?...
                                    FACT: Under the Bush Administration, Government has never been as "big" as it is now, since the New Deal.

                                    Look... this post, as well as being a response to you Larry, is a response to a story about undecided voters, so hopefully a few of them will be reading this...

                                    ------------------------

                                    It's my sincere hope, that when making your decision, you'll think hard about which party you trust to make rational decisions and policy on your behalf for the next 4 years. At the RNC, John McCain himself said to his own party, about his own party, that a "me-first", "old-boy" network of Washington insiders had betrayed the trust of the American people, and that he was the right man to go clean his own house...

                                    Hey, I liked him in 2000... but Honestly... during his stunning transformation from "Senator" McCain to "2008 Candidate" McCain, this man has completely 180'd his positions on over 70 major issues from foreign policy to domestic policy to energy to immigration, and the list goes on... all so that he'd finally fall in line with the GOP agenda and the agenda of the 150+ corporate lobbyists running his campaign.

                                    feel free to view the list here: http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/flipflops

                                    ... not to mention the fact that he's now for business regulation after being against it for the majority of his 26 years in Washington... or that he wasn't allowed to pick the running mate he wanted.

                                    All this goes to prove a point: John McCain is not Maverick anymore... if anything he's the "Goose"... John McCain is a good soldier... doing exactly what he's told by his soulless, greedy, evil, corporate/GOP puppet-masters without question (anymore)!

                                    If John McCain is to be the true agent of change in Washington, what makes anyone believe that the powers who've been pulling his strings all-along this candidacy, are going to allow him to turn on them once he's in office?

                                    All distractions, lipsticks and pigs aside... Remember this: A vote for John McCain is a vote for 4 more years of the machine behind him that brought you the last 8 years.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#19 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
                                    icstars-1

                                    According to the State of Alaska Fiscal Summary, McCain's running mate is no fiscal conservative either. She increase the general expenditures for Alaska government by 27% in the last two years. The Alaska spending went from $3.343 billion in 2007 to $4.242 billion for the 2009 budget.
                                    That 'thanks but no thanks' line she is famous for is at best extremely misleading. Alaska kept federal money given for the 'bridge to nowhere.' They're also studying alternative projects to spend it on, with a possibility for the funds being a (redesigned) bridge to nowhere or a ferry system for the same area. So, she might build a bridge after all but claims credit for turning down the money though they got some of the money and kept it. Wow. [Two additions: I have nothing against the people of Ketchikan, Alaska. I also can't remember the link to a website that summarizes the on-going plans that I describe above. They're available online.]

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #19.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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                                    Mo1

                                    As Ken said, he (Obama) never said he "voted" against the war, he said he spoke out against the war because it would distract us from going after the people who attacked us and cost billions of dollars that would be better spent here at home. That's what he said back in 2002 and he was absolutely correct. Please stop hearing what you want to hear and actually LISTEN to what he says, Thank you!!

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#20 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
                                    Keith S-298098

                                    Obama spoke out against the war because his buddy rezko does business with saddam hussein's cousin...he was worried about losing campaign contributions...I am not a nig fan of McCain but he doesn't do things or have associations that openly make his loyalty to this country suspect

                                      #20.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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                                      Mike Kerr-374135

                                      Can you blame the American people as to being undecided? Both candidates are part of the problem, yet ONE has to be elected! It will be decided on November 4, 2008. Regardless who gets the nomination, neither of these candidates will be able to completely fix the problem. There are too many elements and the judicial system is "just to big" to make decisions on the fly! To many CHIEFS and not enough INDIANS!

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#21 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
                                      Sunny T

                                      Bill Clinton did manage to fix 12 years of Republican messes, even balancing the budget and turning a then-record deficit into a national surplus. The stock market rallied the day after he was elected, showing investor confidence in the new direction away from Reagan-Bush trickle-down economics.

                                      Bill Clinton knows that Barack Obama can do the same, particularly with Hillary working with him.

                                      I hope everybody has a chance to see video of Bill Clinton's visit to the Daily Show.... He has some interesting things to say about this $700 billion bailout.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #21.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
                                      Mike Kerr-374135

                                      It is a moot point as to what had been done...apparently, it did not work... therefore, listening and watching what Clinton has to say...is in the past. This is today...and tomorrow is around the corner.

                                      Lets all get together and get this figured out and quit placing blame!

                                        #21.2 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
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                                        NWScot

                                        HEY! 18%....WAKE UP! This is a NO-BRAINER! the Republicans have gotten us INTO this mess and Democrats need to get us OUT! Republicans have been singing the praises of non-regulation for decades! John McCain was one of the KEATING FIVE! He intimidated Regulators to help his thief of a friend Charles Keating bilk legions of people out of their life savings! Doesn't anyone REMEMEBER this scandal?? Where on earth is your memory, America? McCain is EXACTLY the kind of person who is responsible for this mess. Now he wants to act like he's always been for regulation! America! Where is your mind? I can't believe anyone actually thinks McCain is a viable choice. What is this, the Twilight Zone?

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#22 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
                                        American Believer

                                        McCain-Palin 08
                                        All the way baby!

                                          Reply#23 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
                                          G.Jerry

                                          right on --baby McCain and baby Palin--the one who can see Russia from her house!

                                            #23.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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                                            DISABLED VIET-NAM VET

                                            i'm with you American believer.

                                              Reply#24 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
                                              concernedcitizen-542174

                                              McCain-Palin 08

                                              All the way to NOWHERE! GET A GRIP!

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#25 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
                                              concernedcitizen-542174

                                              OBAMA-BIDEN 08

                                              GET USED TO IT! IT'S JUST ABOUT A "DONE DEAL".

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#26 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
                                              NIck-71

                                              Maybe if you search this video on youtube it could help you decide.
                                              WAKE UP AMERICA!!! NO John McCAIN NO Sarah PALIN!!

                                                Reply#27 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
                                                jumpshotjarrod

                                                themusicplace61

                                                "I too don't buy in to oabama's lie's as well and to me once a muslim alway's a muslim i don't want a muslim of any kind at the head of this nation "

                                                ________________________________________________________

                                                These types of statements leave me speechless. I am absolutely dumbfounded by folks who suggest that Senator Obama is a terrorist because they believe he is muslim. Am I to believe that John McCain is a serial killer, a cult leader, or a serial rapist because he is of traditional Christian values? (David Berkowitz 'son of sam', David Koresh 'WACO', Anthony Ireland). That type of thinking is shallow and ridiculous. It concerns me very much that people are basing decisions on traits such as that. Grow up.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                Reply#28 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
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